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Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
One year in a s**t situation is not how the contract is decided. It's based on their belief in him going forward
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Well that's the point of it all. If there is another team then we can match it. If not; well, maybe the league isn't as high on Purdy as he or his agent might think.
My point is who cares what the league thinks? The gms in the market for Purdy would be guys that haven't found a qb to begin with. You think their opinion is a good reflection of his value?
It's a part of the "market". The market that everyone keeps saying is $55+mil because that's what Lawrence etc.. got. If the GMs in the market doesn't value Purdy in that way; why should we? Who are we competing with to hand out that type of contract?
And you knew for a fact that GMs in the market valued Lawrence that way too? The QB "market" is similar contracts in recent years. That's how it works now, for better or for worse.
Originally posted by 49ers808:
No I don't know; which is why I said an option would be to find that out. Similar contracts is how it's been; and I'd bet that all those people who did them have second thoughts, where'd it get them aside from future cap hell?
I've already stated that in the end I think they pay him anyways; it's what this regime does, like you said, for better or worse
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:Originally posted by CharlieSheen:One year in a s**t situation is not how the contract is decided. It's based on their belief in him going forward
I don't disagree with that. His ability going forward should be in question however, especially at big money costs.
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Well that's the point of it all. If there is another team then we can match it. If not; well, maybe the league isn't as high on Purdy as he or his agent might think.
My point is who cares what the league thinks? The gms in the market for Purdy would be guys that haven't found a qb to begin with. You think their opinion is a good reflection of his value?
It's a part of the "market". The market that everyone keeps saying is $55+mil because that's what Lawrence etc.. got. If the GMs in the market doesn't value Purdy in that way; why should we? Who are we competing with to hand out that type of contract?
And you knew for a fact that GMs in the market valued Lawrence that way too? The QB "market" is similar contracts in recent years. That's how it works now, for better or for worse.
No I don't know; which is why I said an option would be to find that out. Similar contracts is how it's been; and I'd bet that all those people who did them have second thoughts, where'd it get them aside from future cap hell?
I've already stated that in the end I think they pay him anyways; it's what this regime does, like you said, for better or worse
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by 49ers808:
No I don't know; which is why I said an option would be to find that out. Similar contracts is how it's been; and I'd bet that all those people who did them have second thoughts, where'd it get them aside from future cap hell?
I've already stated that in the end I think they pay him anyways; it's what this regime does, like you said, for better or worse
what i am thinking is you get Daniel Jones 1 year 10m on day 1 of FA, then you offer brock a team friendly deal with outs and minimal dead cap hit, and if he wants to think he's worth josh allen money you can tell him to go find it. go find a team that will pay you it.
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Any 24 year old QBs ability is in question going forward. I doubt they plan on trotting out a s**tty roster every year and hoping to find some qb that can carry it. The goal is to build a team, and they have a young qb that has shown he can be really good when they do that
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
This is never going to happen, nor should it. I cant believe you are advocating this.
Originally posted by 5thSFG:
We disagree. A lot. But I find that more often than not if you disagree with Steve you're probably on the wrong side of things
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
No his hate definitely stems from Trey days. Brock hasn't had a great year, but it's also not as bad as the haters are making it out to be. He's been okay this year considering the circumstance
NY has said as much himself. He's arguing he shouldn't be paid at the top of the market. Try and keep up.
Originally posted by Ezekiel38:Brock wasn't the reason we lost the SB and If you want simplify the game, sure we can call every great QB that hasn't won a SB trash.
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by JC_916:He did lead us to two important comebacks in the biggest post season games you can have. Can't ignore that and it doesn't erase what happened this year. The bright side is that he's shown he can play better and longer than this down year
I mean we can finally all agree on this as the stats and tape don't lie folks.
Purdy just can't lead 4th quarter game winning drives....period. And don't give us oh 2 years ago or last year BS. This year he's 1 of 5 on them...1 of 5!!!! Matter of fact instead of winning the game he's more likely to throw a game sealing INT....
Mid tier QB no doubt. But I am all for running it back with him IF we can address our Oline and get some legit weapons for him. Oh and make him wear sticky gloves in any type of wet weather.
That's it folks...let's get it done.
Didn't do it in the Super Bowl which is actually the biggest post season came you can have. No Lombardi then it means nothing what he did in the previous two games when combined with his regression this year. He's appears to be just a better version of Jimmy that can run around and scramble.
If he won us the Super Bowl he'd obv be given a pass for this year as we would already KNOW he can win us a title. Since he lost the Super Bowl we don't know and his regression this year makes it incredibly risky to commit to him in terms of years. Give him 55m fine but only guaranteed for two years and we can walk away without any big dead cap hits after the 2026 season and go looking for something better. So the contract must be something that we can get away from in two years or less if he is playing like he has been or worse.
Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
No it's not. We will have outs if it goes wrong. You just hate Brock. Always have since the moment you realized he might take Treys spot
Originally posted by tohara3:
Any interesting option to watch will be the Kirk Cousin's deal with the Falcons. If he is released early, Kyle could offer Purdy a lower deal & say if you don't take it i will bring my guy Cousin's in & keep it rolling. Not saying this is what I want, but it may give the 49ers options & some leverage this offseason
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:I think you're being pretty generous with your descriptions here, though I agree on some level. I also don't think it's guaranteed that Brock ever produces at that level even with a high quality team around him. Defenses adjust. Brock having physical limitations gives him less tools to readjust for example.
Brock has had plenty of issues this season short of the mess the team has been overall on offense. I don't 'blame' Brock for our record this season, nor do I make arguments about him good or bad primarily based on team influenced statistics.